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DavesNotHere's avatar

“According to [Ideal anarchists] the state can only be justified as a response to noncompliance with moral demands.”

Which ideal anarchist does this refer to? I am skeptical that they would accept this justification.

This quote takes for granted the unique status of the state. If noncompliance with moral demands “justifies” something, it justifies it for any person or organization, not just the state. The exception would be if the argument depends on predicates that apply only to the state. Advocates have not produced such predicates or arguments, that I am aware of.

An anarchist might count a state as “justified” if people consented to its actions. But this is a contradiction in terms, as there is nothing special about an organization that operates by consent, and one of the distinctive features of a state is the claim that they are exempt from the need to gain consent when dealing with persons.(Or for social contract theorists, the claim is that persons have implicitly consented to interactions with the state in advance. Either way, the unique feature of the state is this ability to proceed without gaining consent from others.)

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J. C. Lester's avatar

"While ideal statists and ideal anarchists agree that coercion is in itself morally wrong"

Not when in defence of liberty or its rectification after an infringement: https://jclester.substack.com/p/coercion-and-libertarianism

"If ideal anarchism relies, even in principle, on mechanisms of social ostracism, the ideal state is – from a moral viewpoint – still better than the anarchic ideal society."

With "ideal anarchism" there is presumably no need for "mechanisms of social ostracism". But even an "ideal state" will inherently infringe people's liberty: https://jclester.substack.com/p/anarchy-and-libertarianism

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